These guys want to act like it's supposed to be some magical event that Stan claims makes the ball. Search titles only. Hal is 83 and has forgotten more about pool. I'll never be a good player, but I try all the time to improve. Most are good honest requests to learn. And I listened. At the end of the day Aiming Systems are being proven to work and accepted by more and more people. The 15 - 30 - and 45. knows that I'm a proponent of Hal Houle. left side of shaft to right left and right side of the shaft to go right. I am using the ORIGINAL HAL HOULE SYSTEM. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate of the Sailor's system only much less detailed and much less comprehensive. I don't understand half of Spidey's post but I compeletly understand what he means. I ran across a YT video of a snooker coach having his student wear this and practicing. Firstly,I am not a research scientist or an engineer,but a billiard fan who wants 3 Cushion to grow to higher proportions/greater lenghts,so I would like to make the following suggestion: put more technology into billiard balls. They could care less about 90/90 or the SEE System. It is not CTE but it IS a Hal Houle aiming system called SHISKABOB. Billiards (RSB) describing how only 3 lines were required to make nearly all cut shots on a 2:1 pool table with angles from 0 to about 90 degrees. I read morhts article but I would like further clarification. View more. . Note: I'm not saying that Hal came up with the light theory. You came to aiming systems because of all the discussion and development of systems that Hal developed. . I have to say that Hal Houle gave me the aiming perspective that I use about 90 percent of the time. I personally enjoyed his stories of his own personal life the most and called him many times just to. Honestly no matter what "system" you use if you do not have a consistent stroke, a straight stroke, and good fundamentals, the want to get better, and. Conversely I have shown aiming systems to some good players and had them give me a confused look and decide that they didn't want to bother with it EVEN IF they agreed that it might help them. Guess the system. Im guessing this is based on possible points for the QB and object ball. . We spent the morning working on some stroke, stance and footwork tweaks along with Stan sharing a few of his favorite drills. you aim the left quarter, center and right quarter of the CB (the "3. . pj chgo . . ALL of Hal Houle's systems had the exact same foundation. A chat with Master Instructor Stan Shuffett today reveals this :thumbup2:: Stan says. I use Hal Houle's "3 aim line" method, which I use CTE as a double check to see if I'm aligned right. Examples include Hal Houle’s 3angle system- , CTE, and SAM. But, center-to-edge aiming is only one part. If you would like a copy, email me atThe answers I received, from Houle followers, defied the laws of geometry and, as such, were absurd. Your mind’s eye can easily perceive each of the 500 shots referenced above as ‘one’. So no, not playing the victim at all. If you look at most shots they can be grouped into one of these three angles in a general sense. Hal was not a great teacher, and did not really understand how or why most of the systems worked. Apr 24, 2017 #98 cookie man said: I got immediate results from CTE. A. The part that confuse me is why is there. Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small. The main reason why CTE is COMPLETE BULLSHIT (and, I’m sure, made up as somebody’s joke to show how dumb people are), is that there’s no discussion in it. How it's advertised is as an objective aiming system with zero feel or subconscious involvement. I'm still confused on the exact steps of stepping the cueball. Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. Hal is 83 and has forgotten more about pool than I will ever know. From what I know of the Hal Houle point and pivot system, it has to do with actually pivoting the cue itself slightly. . After watching multiple. . I've met Hal a few times. Houle is a surname. By: Search Advanced search…Instruction & Ask the pros. “Innovator” might be a better descriptor for Hal. And in fact I do credit Hal Houle and Stan and everyone working on objective aiming for keeping me interested in playing. . It is absolutely connected. If you Google search, pro one billiards aiming system you will get a lot of information. on RSB. I think Hal's latest way of describing it, the "3-point" version where. Barbara was born in Waterbury and was the. Search titles only. This is Low500 at N. cookie man AzB Silver Member. M is a by-product of Hal Houle's teaching. A. Koop - it works, I'm just not smart enough to grasp itOn the other hand, in honor of Hal Houle I can also say there is only one shot on a pool table! Hu Click to expand. Hal helped so many people over the years never asking for a dime for his time. I've always been eager to hear anything that Stan had to say, especially when it comes to pool. This is an EXACT aim. By: Search Advanced search…Instruction & Ask the pros. I commented that, from my recollection, Hal Houle was a decent guy and had always been forthcoming in our prior discussions. These were all results of his own thought experiments and practical applications on the table. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. Stan has worked for years on developing CTE/Pro One and that is. In Stan Shuffett's own words: "Nearly six years of blood, sweat, and tears have all been worth it. Search titles only. If anyone knows what it is supposed to be, then I. The methods that Hal Houle teaches are the most exact and precise ways to aim that I have ever seen. I don't have the numbers anymore, as they were in a notebook I can. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. Glad you had a chance to see a real pool room. His name has been on and off fourms for years. The first time started 26 years ago with Hal Houle and then those who followed. Oh wait, I forgot. All I can I can say for now is that NO ONE loved pool more than Hal. By: Search Advanced search…Search titles only. I find it interesting that a guy like svb who started playing pool when he probably was 5 or so and i think i herd him say he played in a league at 9 in a. JoeyInCali Maker of Joey Bautista Cues. Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small. go! the ones i seen confused me, im making big leaps in my pool game this yr, so why not take it further if i can and actually learn something lolI thought I'd throw out a little check I use to very accurately find A or C on the OB, especially the thin ones. Anyone that wants to give this an honest try, please do so and report back to this post. i do not charge you for anything, it is simple enough that i can teach you over the phone. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. . . and Santos. . Hal Houle and I talked many times over the past few years and I regret not having the urge to learn more about CTE from him. There are. First he told me to forget. Search titles only. Therefore a cue ball has 360 ticks and an object ball has 360 ticks at their respective circumferences. . Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket. Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. Much to what I assume will be the chagrin of the vocal CTE guys, Hal Houle himself said this in his infamous original 3-angle document. I'd like to post his name but I. I just wanted to emphasize to some of the open minded around here that Houle was dead on the money with his diagnosis for this aiming thing and that old 'fraction thing' of Mosconi's has long been dead in the water. 3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar tables. Hal, what he created, and those who followed will live forever. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. systems that he currently endorses. Search titles only. I can unabashedly say that I stole the Sailor's system en toto and reproduced it in my book. the method fits the definition. most of philipeno player are using Busty. . Hal Houle knew Greenleaf and probably Fez. Please take a look and let me know if you can think of any important terms or phrases not included. . Yeah, I know - I know, if Hal did something it MUST be bogus and witchcraft. Hal Houle has many systems, so you start from a false premise. As per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. The step by step process will be revealed. Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. 4. I am being swamped by email and PMs about Hal Houle's aiming system. Back in Greenville SC for a few weeks and I am offering one on one lessons in my shop at my home on a 4 1/2 by 9 Diamond Pool table with 4 3/8 pockets and. When you slip stroke, you are essentially stopping the cue during the back stroke, and quickly sliding your hand back further on the cue, grabbing the cue. The best person to ask is Hal himself. . It has NEVER been enforced on those members who have free reign to say whatever they want negatively or disparagingly about Hal Houle, Stan Shuffett, CTE, Shishkabob, and students and usersJUST FINISHED reading mosconis autobiography for the tenth time. Stan Shuffett entered the picture a week ago or so and invited to teach me his CTE/Pro One Aiming System. . Subsequent phone calls continued to develop a hunger for more information about CTE and as Hal's health continued to decline, Stan was forced to do his own study on CTE. They were posted in 2017 and remain today. Although, like San Jose Dick, the math is over my head and the physics lingo wrecks my game because I am thinking about when I play, I KNOW that there is merit to these systems and I will rejoice when the math and science guys figure it out and give people like Hal Houle and Ron V. I had a lesson fron Stan Shuffet and have had a phone conversation Hal Houle. Below are portions of testimonials about an aiming system from one particular poster. E. By: Search Advanced search…That obviously changes the point of contact along the NISL, which in turn results in a different angle after contact. Cherished mother of. By: Search Advanced search…Years ago, in a galaxy far, far away (in RSB, an internet pool newsgroup before AZ came along) he labeled Hal Houle a heretic for preaching this mystical and magical system called CTE. he did the same thing to hal houle. Jul 21, 2008. I want to credit Hal rightly so don't confuse Houle's Pivot Aim with his controversial fractions and degrees aim system. August 1, 2023. Search titles only. 82 m (5 ft 11 + 1 ⁄ 2 in) Weight: 72 kg (159 lb; 11 st 5 lb) Team information; Current team:. go! the ones i seen confused me, im making big leaps in my pool game this yr, so why not take it further if i can and actually learn something lolSearch titles only. There were so many that were disrespectful and that is one if the things I despise about AZB. Pool lost a pioneer. You only get down to 8 cut angles with the OB about 6" away from the pocket. There are 3 court records for "Paul Houle" in "Broward County". . Hals's version started with an "inside cue tip" placement on the CB aiming to the same three spots on the OB as this guy and then pivoting back to center. I read morhts article but I would like further clarification. Anybody know when that will be?I believe it's correct to say you don't have to "consciously" know where the pocket is, but unconsciously you do. Wondering if anyone has a story involving Hal Mix (RIP). A key factor in CTE is that the shooter learns to largely disengage his conscious mind from the aiming process. M is aiming by the numbers. Spent 9:30 to 4:30 at Stan's place yesterday. I have been playing pool lately with a older gentlemen, who has owned numerous pool rooms over the years in the San Jose area. right quarter,and right edge. bbb AzB Gold Member. However Hal Houle is AWESOME and so is Ron Vitello. The blue line is the initial line up method that you would manually have come to with just eying the shot. . ) For this column I've also spoken to BCA instructor Tom Simpson, who graciously put me in contact with Houle. S. By: Search Advanced search…Some of the personalities go back 15 years or more where we had the same disagreements about Hal Houle's "3 angles" fractional system on RSB. I just started. by Billiards Forum Webmaster | May 1, 2011 | Aiming and Execution Tutorials for Billiards | 0 comments. Perfect Aim, CTE, TOI, Hal Houle's systems come to mind. Hal said he could probably teach me his aiming system in 15 minutes. There is no one on the planet who does not use an aiming system - all pool players started out using a system. Hal is no longer with us, but fortunately, he showed. Why are you so obsessed with me, PJ? Hal was the only pool player in his family tree and the community here on AZB probably knows more about his pool life, adventures and accomplishments than they do, so Sunny asked if I would ask the members here to post their stories about Hal so they can be read at his funeral. Hal Houle. THE 3 LINES. Tom Simpson was 20 years younger than Hal. Ask The InstructorI'm pretty sure he was from the Albuquerque neck of the woods. By: Search Advanced search…HEY GUYS MY 2 CENTS the CTE devotees we know who you are EVERYONE ELSE. Search titles only. I doubt that Stan's defining and refining will change any of that no matter how exact CTE/Pro One is. If there is throw, then aiming exactly at the "contact point" where the ghost ball was should cause you to miss. Was great to hear his stories. . The quality was amazing and I can’t wait to take pics in these two piece sets. AND ACCURATE. S. Began instructing pool in 1945. I know Hal Houle there are only 3 or 4 shots in pool. I have played around with CTE for ~ 2 years. It's this period of time that Jimmy Moore incorporated his pivot aiming technique. For example when Hal Houle introduced the tern “Backhand English,” the Aim&Pivot Method had already been around for ten or twenty years earlier (I’d already incorporated in my game by that time), and a diagram of the same concept existed some hundred years earlier. I like Mike's method in actual games, makes things much easier, no thinking or guessing. His credentials are very impressive, with Pro player being one of his accomplishments. The common fractional-ball aiming system, sometimes referred to as Hal Houle’s 3-angle system. I believe Fez, Jimmy, and Ralph Greenleaf, were partners. showed me his swivel system (similar to Hal's system), light aiming system and shadow aiming. Thank you thank you thank you. Instruction & Ask the pros. As per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. he said he doesn't have to!!! lol that's classic right there!Hal Houle was without a doubt the greatest LATERAL THINKER in history when it came to POOL AIMING SYSTEMS! He developed over 20 aiming systems for pool and each one was way OUTSIDE THE BOX VISUALLY and in PERFORMANCE. Stan has worked on the center to edge system over the past 10 years and refined it into a method called “Pro One. My schedule for lessons is resuming as usual and all courses will reflect the newly redefined CTE/PRO ONE Aiming System. He has created several different systems to help people play better. . points") with either edge of the OB is the simplest way to think of it, but you can use several combinations of the fourths on both balls to. When I first learned of Hal Houle, I immediately sought him out because I heard he was a very knowledgeable man. It was what got his mind thinking about what we see on pool balls and how CTE came to be. A. There's only the center of the OB, the 1/4 or 3/4, and the edge. sacman AzB Silver Member. If you and I were on a table for me to show you, you'd easily agree. 12,478. Then after I got home. NO ADJUSTMENT IS NECESSARY unless you have situations like sticky/dirty balls or highly polished balls. First he told me to forget everything I knew about shooting pool. Directly quoting Mr. Freddie <~~~ like Farmer’s Insurance . Teach professionals, very advanced players, and road money players. Takes his three angles and makes aiming easier to teach. Share your videos with friends, family, and the world Hal Houle would have been so very proud, and I myself am proud for you and Hal. Article posted in: Billiards Forum -> Cue Sports -> Pool Playing Tips -> Aiming and Execution Tutorials. JB CASES 21 videos 45,079 views Last updated on Mar 16, 2021 Play all Shuffle 1 0:27 DrDaves-Test JB CASES • 15K views • 13 years ago 2 9:20 Why Ghost. Rodney Morris - portions of the object ball - from a personal interview with him in 2003 - no idea about currently. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate. No personal. He showed me quite a bit about pool. Christopher lives on the same street as the following people: Roshelly Aviles · Susan M Heffelfinger · Anne E Vonneida · Hal Houle · Julia B Houle · Andrea J Partridge · David A Partridge · K Partridge · Sonia S Houle · Paula M Santos · Dana M Hackman · Trevor L Hackman · Scott Morgan · Mark E Barowski · Ann M Polukis · Michele M. Started playing in 1934. Sep 18, 2021 #53Stevie Moore - ProOne - derived from Hal Houle's systems as taught by Stan Shuffett Darren Appleton - Something similar to the S. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. They're very similar with the exception of starting out with an inside of center alignment to parts of the OB and then pivoting back to CCB with Shish. If this is true, there must be something VERY, VERY POSITIVE (AND SOUND) to. After much consideration, I have made a business decision to indefinitely postpone the creation of a CTE/PRO ONE video. I tried the Hal Houle edge of the ball system, but I found that I was never. His best results are winning a stage in. Hale played high school basketball at Jordan High School in Sandy, Utah from 1960 to 1962 and won a state championship. . What is the Supposed Phenomenon of Center to Edge Aiming? This thread is an attempt to garner for ALL concerned. Aiming ConversationAs per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. I decided last winter to turn myself into an Open caliber. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double. . Jul 25, 2005. A key factor in CTE is that the shooter learns to largely disengage his conscious mind from the aiming process. I have read a few CTE threads but not really posted much. Basic aiming systems Wondering if anyone has a story involving Hal Mix (RIP). Army and was stationed in GermanIt is a given that the tip can be used as a device to point the cue to certain recognizable spots on the OB. 3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar tables. I personally used it for several years before Hal taught me a version of CTE. Just reading the 1st chapter brings back so many memories of my teachings with Hal. Jan 20, 2013 #63 Patrick Johnson said:I will be at Q-masters on the final Saturday of the US Open. I thought to myself, that idea. . Stan has spent the last 15 years learning those secrets and has explained them. Problem is, he had to stand there and correct me on every shot because I just didn't get it. A. ) CTE originated from Hal Houle. SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. Loading…I've been using basic CTE for awhile, but using older information. In fact, a "visual" as you describe (or as Hal described) in pool is not. There are a lot of 'instructors' selling players on various ideas they claim are magic bullets. S. I then listened to them for several more hours while on my route as a mailman today so I could really let it sink into my subconscious. that includes reyes, souquet, archer, ortman, bustamante, and on and on. RecSportBilliards in 1996. It's great that Stan has been able to get CTE even farther. It occurred to me the newer members might not know who Hal Houle was. And by honest try, I mean give it at least 10 tries, hopefully. As far as systems go, its as good as any, and an excellent place to start. Most errors in a stroke originate in the backstroke, and get amplified on the forward stroke. I would telephone every few months checking in with him or he would call me and we would talk. These techniques are all referred to as “offset and pivot” systems. Hal called it his three angle document. People like Hal Houle and Ron Vitello and Gene are always going to have negative people trying to tear. . Dyer, writing in Billiards Digest: "One other detail about the pool legend - and an extremely. Very sorry to hear about Hal Houle's passing. I hoped that he would chime in and help explain away the apparent dilemma. Hal was a veteran of the U. Silver Member. Unfortunately, it might be expensive to call him from your house in Russia. Stan's Truth series illuminates the secrets of CTE that Hal Houle purposefully failed to provide when he first discussed this aiming system. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. we know that you and Hal were close. Those who have learned CTE and become successful with it. The Hal Houle Point and Pivot system is a billiard aiming system that uses the geometry, layout, and design of a pool table, as well as some common assumptions to help you determine the appropriate spot on the object ball to strike with the cue ball. . Search titles only. Aiming ConversationDo any of the pros actually use these systems? I remember about a year ago I tried to use the ghost balls system but I found that it could fail at clutch moments. Efren: Oh, aim. I hear Stan Shuffet is coming out with a free video on U Tube to explain "center to edge" aiming. My name is Hal Houle. Hal Houle has taught a lot of people CTE and one of the people who took it a lot more seriously than the rest of the people is a guy named Stan Shuffett. S. The National Billiard Academy is the only school authorized to teach the specialized Aiming Systems of Hal Houle. I watched a great match between Cowboy Jimmy Moore and Wimpy Luther Lassiter that was on Classic ESPN the other day. Anybody know?dunno if the user named "halhoule" is the real thing, but he seems to be spamming this 'efren reyes aiming system' stuff + a phone number to people. S. I use it more in practice and do not focus on the pivot when I play. Jul 15, 2008 #8 Bval Use The Aiming System That Efren Reyes Uses. These were all results of his own thought experiments and practical applications on the table. Silver Member. It's not, every combination of perception, left or right cut, sweep or pivot direction, etc,,,, will result in the same. The fact is that all systems which work will end up with the player in the SAME place which is lined up correctly. To Dave Segal for being so vocal about what. Most of the people that have learned one or more of his systems do not give out much info, as he did/does not want them. not so good, sorry. He also enjoyed keeping tabs on the various players and the members of AzBilliards. Literally the week before Hal sought me out I spent several hours on the table with my friend Chris McDaniel working on a. Gulfport, Mississippi. Aiming ConversationThanks to another member for sending a PM to me with this system he found on the internet called "Splitting The Difference". poolguppy AzB Silver Member. He has a beautiful 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond table and light. First of all, there are NO contact points involved with the OB. . He was always experimenting with aiming systems and knowledge he acquired over the years from. By: Search Advanced search…Secret Aiming Systems ™ Coach (THE designated successor to Hal Houle, inventor of many of the Aiming Systems) Professor: Billiard University; Certified PAT ™ Examiner (the Playing Ability Test) Founder: Elephant Balls, Ltd. I will use every comment by you that fits that goal and there are many. . Even then, the adjustment is minimal. Q. A. . So the non-users consider that false advertisement. By: Search Advanced search…Hal Houle may've been the first to use the word "visual" as a noun relating to pool shots, just as he or Stan was probably the first to use the words "visual perception" in relation to visualizing pool shots. ) I will be more than happy. . That's one reason I can't stand the really shitty comments denigrating them and their students. CTE is a pre-shot routine that involves the use of the line from the center of the cue ball through the outside edge of the object ball (from the intended pocket. B. . I think you can practice while day dreaming - Hal said line them up and wack um. add another ball that can be used with. Search titles only. I reside in Russia and. I commented that, from my recollection, Hal Houle was a decent guy and had always been forthcoming in our prior discussions. So yesterday, I watched the first several videos of Stan Shuffett's CTE Pro-1 series. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. A. Mary Lou Houle, resident of Toledo, Ohio, passed away November 21, 2022 at the age of 92. . " Hal's greatest joy was. (Houle's memory is somewhat hazy on the point. Stan Shuffett refined it and it is called "CTE Pro One". Hal Houle had ways of explaining and doing it and we definitely know where you're coming from when his name is mentioned. Some players took as long as 6 seconds before pulling. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. You have to understand this was back in the day of land lines, 411, and telephone directories and if you were listed anyone could get your phone number. . Cherished mother of. Nov 12, 2019 - Answers to frequently-asked questions about Hal Houle's 3-angle aiming system. For those who think he's guilty of false advertising and claims, you're. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. . Hal Houle I totally agree. Just for you, here is my answers to your queries. Well beyond the life of the lemming tribe. :grin-square: Perhaps the video will be large enough to honor Hal Houle for what he created. )From the very first ball i hit with Hal Houle on the other end of the phone . Some people do it automatically while others spend hours and many aiming systems trying to find it. But in my opinion if it wasn't for Hal there wouldn't be CTE. Any videos of Jimmy from around this period, included the video cited in this thread, clearly show Jimmy pivoting into center ball from. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. Instruction & Ask the pros. You are referring to Hal Houles aiming system. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. Hal is 83 and has forgotten more about pool than I will ever know. Gold Member. Hal Houle said that there are only 3 angles that are important. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. Nov 12, 2019 - Answers to frequently-asked questions about Hal Houle's 3-angle aiming system. He never charged for lessons, often given over the phone.